Why does Anet Ban for certain breaches but not others? - Guild Wars Forums

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Hi!

My question is this: Why does Anet only act on certain breaches?

I know I've done this, You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language. (On complete accident, attempting to shorten Well of Power by using first letters FTL!)

A very common one: While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. (Scamming anyone?)

A very obvious one that they don't give a damn about: Taking advantage of another player ("scamming") in order to take his/her items or account. (Multipule times, people have posted as to what con be done, because anet basicly said, we don't ban for that)

But Anet seems all too willing to act on these, that don't hurt the game as much.

Like this one: You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling gold or items for cash.

Or this one: Using, developing, releasing or promoting a "bot" program

Or: When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts.

Botting and Buying gold doesn't hurt the ingame effect nearly as much as Scamming, Rascism, and Abusing exploits.

Anyone have any ideas?

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 03, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

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Like this one: You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling gold or items for cash.

Or this one: Using, developing, releasing or promoting a "bot" program

Botting and Buying gold doesn't hurt the ingame effect nearly as much as Scamming, Rascism, and Abusing exploits.

Anyone have any ideas?

I have a lot, they mostly involve ignoring people like you. I'm sorry that u seriously believe that botting and Buying gold doesn't effect the game.

What happen did u buy gold and get banned or was ur bot banned?

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

I don't think you understood what I was saying.

What I attempted to say, was, why does anet only ban for some offenses instead of all?

I mean, it seems to only take one report of bot behaviour to get a ban, but scammers might never get banned.

I asked why. And I have no idea how you got that I botted from a question on why anet doesn't ban for scamming and rascism.

Scorpion Boy · Aug 03, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Botting/Buying gold is bad for the economy and against the EULA. Can't ban people for scamming since it's your own fault if you get scammed, you know paying attention when trading bla bla bla. Bout the racism, I think you will get banned for being a racist if Anet gets enough complains about that person. Just my 2 cents.

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Scorpion Boy

Botting/Buying gold is bad for the economy and against the EULA. /close...

And scamming and exploiting and rascism isn't?

I know it's against the EULA. but why does anet put something on their EULA that they don't enforce?

Commander Ryker · Aug 03, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

How do you know that scamers don't get banned? You don't. You probably just never hear about it because who wants to admit that they were scamming someone?

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

How do you know that scamers don't get banned? You don't. You probably just never hear about it because who wants to admit that they were scamming someone?

The responses from support that have been posted on the forum, that basicly say, "We do not ban for that".

that's how I know.

Mohnzh · Aug 03, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

I know a guy that got suspended for three days for making a racial slur in alliance chat, even though it was in jest and he didn't mean offense. I must admit, however, that I do not know what was said. Only that he got suspended and he is not the kind of guy that would say something intentionally to cause offense. So, ANet clearly enforces the racial stuff.

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Only in certian places. There is so much of it some places, it seems like Anet doesn't care.

Etta · Aug 03, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

No point guessing better ask them directly. Have you try emailing them or write to them? Am I allow to post their address? Maybe you would like to visit them in Seattle? I have a map if you like one.

Xenex Xclame · Aug 03, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

I don't get your example, is WoP a swear word that i don't know?

The swearing harrasin etc, don't get banned cause most of the time they don't get reported.

I mean it's the internet people are bad on the internet if people start swearing or harrasing or throwing out racial insults , most of the time what i do is either close local chat, or ignore the person,there done, for me problem solved, no need to go thru all the trouble of reporting+screens+time and date+multiple emails and then still not knowing if the person was banned or not.

You gotta remember they don't have the man/moneypower to police chats all the time, they act on reports ,also insults and that kind don't hurt them , sure it makes the game less fun but it still doesn't hurt them.

Bots and Goldselling/buying however does hurt them.

Edit : Ow btw , others have already said why they don't ban on some scams, basically cause it was the person greed/stupidity that got them scammed and because most of them are hard to proof.

Botting and selling/buying gold DOES hurt the game unlike what you think, it gives people that do not want to do the work them selfs a advantage on the ones that do , even if that advantage is only cosmetic or to show off your E-peen.

anshin · Aug 03, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

you can't know if anet is doing something about it or not... you simply can't unless you work there...

people complain because anet doesn't ban... then when they do people complain its still not enough... give it a rest...

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

I don't get your example, is WoP a swear word that i don't know?

I mean it's the internet people are bad on the internet if people start swearing or harrasing or throwing out racial insults , most of the time what i do is either close local chat, or ignore the person,there done, for me problem solved, no need to go thru all the trouble of reporting+screens+time and date+multiple emails and then still not knowing if the person was banned or not.

Edit : Ow btw , others have already said why they don't ban on some scams, basically cause it was the person greed/stupidity that got them scammed and because most of them are hard to proof.

Yes. Wop is a racial slur.

They seriously need to make reporting easier. If it takes someone 20 minutes to report someone who stole 2k, what's the point? I could use 20 minutes to get my cash back.

Yes, most scams are hard to prove. but how do they track gold buyers/sellers? Has to be chat logs and trade sessions, which means they must be able to track what goes on. Hence, they COULD do it, but they don't.

If they would just assign one person to go through chat logs, there'd be a lot less scammers/goldsellers/buyers/evil people who seem to only live to insult other people.

NoPantsRepublic · Aug 03, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

3 people in my guild got banned yesterday for racism, thanks a lot <_<

quickmonty · Aug 03, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

We can discuss it here until the cows come home, or unti you raise your post count high enough by posting every other post, but nothing will be resolved here. Take it up with ANet. They ban a lot of people that you never hear of because they don't announce bans to the public.

This thread has the potential to become a roaring flame fest

Loviatar · Aug 03, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

Only in certian places. There is so much of it some places, it seems like Anet doesn't care.

they have stated that since they cant have people everywhre they depend mostly on reports from players and have a detailed list of information needed to find the incident in the log.

to expect them to spend all their time flooding every district with monitors is moronic at best

HuntMaster Avatar · Aug 03, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by NoPantsRepublic

3 people in my guild got banned yesterday for racism, thanks a lot <_<

Good. players should not be allowed to get away with any type of abuse. i for one am happy that we have 3 less jerks playing the game.

players have two choices, to obey the rules and respect their fellow gamers, or act rudely and risk the punishment.

i understand about anets tolerance about certain things. if they banned for everything guildwars would have almost no players since a good 40-50% of the players i listen to in towns violate one rule or another. and i constantly hear people belittling each other over childish little things like chosen skills or play style. but people are petty. its human nature. and very few people have self control, especially online. thats what makes heroes so great. all the fun with none of the bs.

the best thing to do is take a screenshot, write down the info, post the screen shot on your guildsite, and have the entire guild report them for their crime. these measures can help safeguard future players, especially new players. plus 20-100 reports will cause anet to seek action unless the guild constantly reports people for nothing. as to be a true violation of TOS.

nothing wrecks a game faster than being scammed when you first start playing. so help protect your fellow honest gamers, they may return the favor.

Retribution X · Aug 03, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

they have stated that since they cant have people everywhre they depend mostly on reports from players and have a detailed list of information needed to find the incident in the log.

to expect them to spend all their time flooding every district with monitors is moronic at best

Why not make a bot for reading the log, that bans based on certian phrases, or words.

Seems they have time to watch bots... And reporting botlike activity will get attention a helluva lot faster then racist comments.

Like someone said. their reporting process takes forever, and the few times I reported, I got the "we're processing it", and nothing became of it.

kwiet · Aug 03, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

i have a ban for 3 days for spamming sales in a place where nothing else happens....
is that logic?

Iuris · Aug 03, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Think of it this way:

Anet wants NONE of these things to happen. They'd gladly sanction all violations.

However, with thousands of players online all the time, it is not physically possible to monitor all that's going on.

What happens is that Anet will prosecute those activities that do most harm actively, but will act on the lower threats and harder to detect threats when found.

So, what to do? You find a violation, let Anet know. And that doesn't happen on this forum - you need to contact Anet directly, so they can start an investigation.

Second, you must realize that Anet will need to see some evidence. Screenshots are a start, but another important thing is exactly when and where things happened. If these are provided, Anet can check their own logs for evidence.

And in the end, understand that a perfect solution is impossible. It is impossibl e to completely eliminate scamming, abuse and botting. A botter only needs a few hours to get new accounts and set up a whole new batch of bots. The goal to aim for is that all the violations are kept at a tolerable level.

Aug 03, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08	#1
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	Why does ain breaches but not others?Anet Ban for cert Hi! My question is this: Why does Anet only act on certain breaches? I know I've done this, You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language. (On complete accident, attempting to shorten Well of Power by using first letters FTL!) A very common one: While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. (Scamming anyone?) A very obvious one that they don't give a damn about: Taking advantage of another player ("scamming") in order to take his/her items or account. (Multipule times, people have posted as to what con be done, because anet basicly said, we don't ban for that) But Anet seems all too willing to act on these, that don't hurt the game as much. Like this one: You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling gold or items for cash. Or this one: Using, developing, releasing or promoting a "bot" program Or: When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. Botting and Buying gold doesn't hurt the ingame effect nearly as much as Scamming, Rascism, and Abusing exploits. Anyone have any ideas? Last edited by Retribution X; Aug 03, 2007 at 02:14 PM // 14:14..

Aug 03, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43	#4
Scorpion Boy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005	Botting/Buying gold is bad for the economy and against the EULA. Can't ban people for scamming since it's your own fault if you get scammed, you know paying attention when trading bla bla bla. Bout the racism, I think you will get banned for being a racist if Anet gets enough complains about that person. Just my 2 cents. Last edited by Scorpion Boy; Aug 03, 2007 at 01:49 PM // 13:49..

Aug 03, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41	#3
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	I don't think you understood what I was saying. What I attempted to say, was, why does anet only ban for some offenses instead of all? I mean, it seems to only take one report of bot behaviour to get a ban, but scammers might never get banned. I asked why. And I have no idea how you got that I botted from a question on why anet doesn't ban for scamming and rascism.

Aug 03, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51	#6
Commander Ryker Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/	How do you know that scamers don't get banned? You don't. You probably just never hear about it because who wants to admit that they were scamming someone?

Aug 03, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#8
Mohnzh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Might find me roaming around doing missions in hard mode...or maybe I'm lost in the Underworld... Guild: [KCOR] Profession: Mo/	I know a guy that got suspended for three days for making a racial slur in alliance chat, even though it was in jest and he didn't mean offense. I must admit, however, that I do not know what was said. Only that he got suspended and he is not the kind of guy that would say something intentionally to cause offense. So, ANet clearly enforces the racial stuff.

Aug 03, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19	#9
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	Only in certian places. There is so much of it some places, it seems like Anet doesn't care.

Aug 03, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38	#10
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	No point guessing better ask them directly. Have you try emailing them or write to them? Am I allow to post their address? Maybe you would like to visit them in Seattle? I have a map if you like one.

Aug 03, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07	#11
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	I don't get your example, is WoP a swear word that i don't know? The swearing harrasin etc, don't get banned cause most of the time they don't get reported. I mean it's the internet people are bad on the internet if people start swearing or harrasing or throwing out racial insults , most of the time what i do is either close local chat, or ignore the person,there done, for me problem solved, no need to go thru all the trouble of reporting+screens+time and date+multiple emails and then still not knowing if the person was banned or not. You gotta remember they don't have the man/moneypower to police chats all the time, they act on reports ,also insults and that kind don't hurt them , sure it makes the game less fun but it still doesn't hurt them. Bots and Goldselling/buying however does hurt them. Edit : Ow btw , others have already said why they don't ban on some scams, basically cause it was the person greed/stupidity that got them scammed and because most of them are hard to proof. Botting and selling/buying gold DOES hurt the game unlike what you think, it gives people that do not want to do the work them selfs a advantage on the ones that do , even if that advantage is only cosmetic or to show off your E-peen.

Aug 03, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17	#12
anshin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: R/	you can't know if anet is doing something about it or not... you simply can't unless you work there... people complain because anet doesn't ban... then when they do people complain its still not enough... give it a rest...

Aug 03, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53	#14
NoPantsRepublic Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Off Doing Better Things [afk] Profession: Mo/W	3 people in my guild got banned yesterday for racism, thanks a lot <_<

Aug 03, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13	#15
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	We can discuss it here until the cows come home, or unti you raise your post count high enough by posting every other post, but nothing will be resolved here. Take it up with ANet. They ban a lot of people that you never hear of because they don't announce bans to the public. This thread has the potential to become a roaring flame fest

Aug 03, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#19
kwiet Banned Join Date: Apr 2007	i have a ban for 3 days for spamming sales in a place where nothing else happens.... is that logic?

Aug 03, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43	#20
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	Think of it this way: Anet wants NONE of these things to happen. They'd gladly sanction all violations. However, with thousands of players online all the time, it is not physically possible to monitor all that's going on. What happens is that Anet will prosecute those activities that do most harm actively, but will act on the lower threats and harder to detect threats when found. So, what to do? You find a violation, let Anet know. And that doesn't happen on this forum - you need to contact Anet directly, so they can start an investigation. Second, you must realize that Anet will need to see some evidence. Screenshots are a start, but another important thing is exactly when and where things happened. If these are provided, Anet can check their own logs for evidence. And in the end, understand that a perfect solution is impossible. It is impossibl e to completely eliminate scamming, abuse and botting. A botter only needs a few hours to get new accounts and set up a whole new batch of bots. The goal to aim for is that all the violations are kept at a tolerable level.